Far Cough
6:33 Tue Sep 20
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OK matey
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Mike Oxsaw
6:38 Tue Sep 20
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When it comes to matters of football, I'll take the drunken and incoherent* ramblings of Bonzo over the collected wisdom of Da, Da & Da currently running the club any day.
* - I don't believe for a moment he ever gets himself in such a state, but the sentiment still stands.
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1964
6:38 Tue Sep 20
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What Bonds is saying is that we have no choice, you either embrace it or be angry and don't go anymore. Up to you.
The comments on the Mail piece are a bit of a wind up.
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DaveT
6:44 Tue Sep 20
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I'm not defending the new stadium but for fucks sake the Boleyn ground atmosphere in recent times, nine games out of ten was shit. NS you must have a good arm to throw things that distance. I loved it when it was so close a thalidomide could have thrown a cup of tea over the linesman but the chicken run atmosphere ended when they moved the pitch years ago
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JAC
7:08 Tue Sep 20
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DaveT...well said...move with the times or fuck off and get left behind...UP was shit for last 15 yrs apart from the odd decent game.
Give the OS a chance,some of you old miserable
wankers might grow to love it.
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Sir Alf
7:09 Tue Sep 20
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There are many that question the real motives for the move but me being a simple man... sees it as a case of the proverbial "looking at a gift horse in the mouth".
Question 1 though is did we have to get a bigger ground to keep up or at least have a chance of growing? If you accept that we had several options:
We could have stayed at UP and upped the capacity to 40 - 50k? Cost? Assume north of 200 million?
Pay to demolish or redesign the OS? In excess of 300 million? Still not own it as Tottenham put paid to that.
Take the OS as a tenant ad pay 15 - 25 million to help with refurbishment and then pay an annual rent.
If we took the former options we would be saddled with a large debt for years. If we think the under investment now is bad it would be a lot worse?
It was a "no brainer" as the Yanks say? Over the longer term it should pay off so long as we stay in the top flight (yeah I know). Its a trade off or compromise.
My hope is that also over the longer term, we further improve things with gaps reduced, safe standing.
I cannot understand the logic of those "outraged" with the move. I don't think we had a choice did we? The risk and downside is far greater if we had stayed where we were?
Bonzo is correct but he knows we had no choice either. Its all very well being critical but very little of it has a rationale and there is nothing offered as an alternative to make that criticism what might be termed "constructive".
If the team was not losing I suspect there would be little to no negativity voiced.?
Read the "nibble theory" and it shows us humans do love a moan. I limit mine to lack of pace in the team and lack of defensive midfield. Ask OneMac, he has been polite but I have bored him to the brink of insanity about it for years ;-)
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On The Ball
7:19 Tue Sep 20
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DaveT 6:44 Tue Sep 20
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icwhs
7:23 Tue Sep 20
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On The Ball 7:19 Tue Sep 20
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icwhs
7:24 Tue Sep 20
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Sir Alf 7:09 Tue Sep 20
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Good post
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SUM A DING WONG
7:29 Tue Sep 20
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"I loved it when it was so close a thalidomide could have thrown a cup of tea over the linesman"
That comment is so wrong.....and yet it's so right! ;-)
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SUM A DING WONG
7:31 Tue Sep 20
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Oh and what Sir Alf said...
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tnb
8:30 Tue Sep 20
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I agree with all that, Alf. Been going over Upton Park since 1993 which is obviously nowhere near as long as some but it's long enough to have appreciated what we had, and also to have seen the way it wasn't always what it was even from when I first went by the end. But like you, I can't see there was any other option really.
I think most people here agree that the way the move has been handled has been somewhere on a scale between inept and appalling, and there are legitimate grievances about that, but at the risk of seeming childish while I wasn't keen on the idea at first as soon as I heard Tottenham were (supposedly, still suspect they weren't really) interested I realised that for me the move needed to happen. The thought of 50-60 thousand Tottenham supporters marching around Stratford every other week remains the stuff of nightmares.
The OS isn't a football stadium right now as Bonds rightly says but, as I think he is also trying to suggest between the lines, in time maybe it can become a very good one. That will only happen if the fans and board are on the same page however, and as much as they try to spin it the blame for the fact that isn't currently happening lies at the board's feet, not ours. Let's hope they see sense and we can all pull together. It won't ever be perfect, and it sure as hell won't ever be Upton Park, but it could be very good and a massive positive for the club in the long run. Here's hoping.
As I say, it's not perfect- but the alternatives were awful.
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,
8:35 Tue Sep 20
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Bonzo is harking back to the three sides being standing terrace days. They were my best days.
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boleynkid
8:36 Tue Sep 20
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Without reading all the other posts so may already have been said but it is a shame they didn't re-develop the East Stand (planning permission had been granted) increasing the capacity to 45,000 + which I am sure would have been fine for us.
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11MDE
8:46 Tue Sep 20
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In my opinion, he's wrong. He's is right that supporters should get behind it because there is no turning back.
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boleynkid
8:50 Tue Sep 20
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He is not wrong at all. His opinion is that it isn't a football ground and most people agree with him about that.
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11MDE
9:47 Tue Sep 20
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Define a football ground.
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boleynkid
9:50 Tue Sep 20
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Boleyn Ground
One where I don't need binoculars to see and a oxygen tank by the time I've reached my seat.
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11MDE
9:55 Tue Sep 20
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You don't need either at the OS. Not unless you are as blind as a bat and have respiratory issues.
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boleynkid
9:57 Tue Sep 20
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11MDE - you clearly don't have a seat in the upper tier.
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dicksie3
10:11 Tue Sep 20
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Some fans will never stop moaning about it. Never. It's a fantastic stadium and more than adequate enough for football - despite not originally being designed for it.
Again, I put these points down on another thread. These things are all that matter to me:
a) I can clearly see the game from my seat
b) The atmosphere (when we have been winning games) has been decent - despite a bit of handbags between small pockets of our own fans
c) I can buy a beer dead easily in the ground. It's fucking easy as. Plus it's Heineken - not that Carlsberg piss in a bottle
I'm more than content with the move. But I'm a simple man and easy to please. Clearly, there are a fair few DIVAS on this forum who expect a whole lot more.
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